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Natalie talks to Red Magazine on the 101 ways to make a family

Tuesday, January 22nd, 2013

Red Magazine has a feature this month about alternative routes to parenthood. From Melanie and her husband who have surrogate twiblings born five days apart, to gay dads with twins created with the same egg donor but each of their sperm (something we actually see quite a lot of), Kate Bussmann shows just how much is now possible, and the positive impact that increasing diversity is having.

Natalie talks about our experience on the ground of working with non traditional families and says:

“I’m constantly surprised by how many variations there are on having a child, the technologies available and the situations people get themselves into… Gay families are obviously different, so they are inevitably having those conversations with children and developing the language. I think it’s helping heterosexual couples deal with some of those issues, because they can see same-sex couples dealing with it in such a positive way. We have experienced a real cultural shift, particularly with donor conception – 20 or 30 years ago, heterosexual couples were told it was best never to tell the child. Now everyone is encouraged to be open and treat it as a positive thing. It’s a complete revolution in thinking. “

The article has a positive message, with stories including that of Fiona O’Driscoll of Surrogacy UK whose surrogate is now ‘Auntie Kate’ to her kids, and research from Stonewall which shows that children with same sex parents are just as likely to be happy as any others. It explores how gay parents are helping to push some positive trends, and how language is evolving fast to keep up.

It’s great to see such a positive piece, which really does reflect what we see on the ground every day. As Kate Bussmann says so eloquently: “And of all the parents I spoke to, gay or straight, with donors or surrogacy, the stories were almost entirely positive. They’re proud of forging their own version of ‘normal’ and more than one of them described the ‘richness’ that comes with having all those extra people in their lives.”

Amen to that.

You can read the Red feature in full here, or find out more about surrogacy, donor conception and our campaigning work from our website.

The Independent reports rise in international surrogacy

Tuesday, January 15th, 2013

The Independent newspaper has criticised the sharp rise in international surrogacy arrangements, quoting Natalie on UK surrogacy law. Responding to a study newly published in the Journal of Social Welfare and Family Law, the Independent says that international surrogacy urgently needs regulating to prevent child trafficking, just like inter-country adoption a generation ago. It points to the rise in rich westerners accessing surrogacy in poor countries like India, and highlights how UK law fails to stop the practice and simply gives parents a ‘rap on the knuckles’ after the event.

At NGA we are proud to have helped parents win legal parental status after international surrogacy. We believe it is the right outcome for much-wanted families who are trying to navigate outdated law. The process is not easy, and the UK court applies great care and sophistication, keeping its focus quite rightly on the welfare of the child.

Surrogacy is very different from adoption, because it involves parents conceiving their own biological child. Collaborative reproduction can be positive – a win-win process which addness richness to the lives of all involved, including the cherished child. But there are potential problems too. The worry is that women will be pushed (whether by exploitative intermediaries or by environmental factors like poverty) into becoming surrogate mothers without fully understanding the risks or without free consent. This is what regulation needs to deal with, not placing restrictions on parents.

And before we start criticising countries like India, let’s get our own house in order. The lack of up to date law and regulation in the UK is what is driving parents abroad for surrogacy. We don’t need to stop parents crossing borders; we need to make surrogacy safer, easier and better regulated in the UK so they don’t need to.

You can read the Independent article here (and a follow up article in the Daily Mail). You can find out more about international surrogacy law and our campaigning on surrogacy from our website.

Natalie on Woman’s Hour talking about known sperm donors

Tuesday, November 20th, 2012

Natalie was interviewed on BBC Radio 4 Woman’s Hour on Thursday on the topic of private sperm donation. The programme feature NGA client Mark Langridge (the donor who has been pursued for child support by the CSA twelve years after donating his sperm to a lesbian couple) and Laura Witjens, Chief Executive of the National Gamete Donation Trust, with Jenni Murray asking ‘what makes a father’?

You can listen to Natalie on Woman’s Hour here.

At NGA, we advise many prospective parents (and donors) considering a known donation arrangement, helping them to set things up with the strongest foundations.

We sadly also help people whose known donation arrangements have broken down, both representing donors pursued for child support and lesbian and solo parents whose donors seek more involvement than they want.

You can find out more from our website about known donation and about known donor disputes.

Should surrogate mothers still have an absolute right to change their minds?

Tuesday, October 23rd, 2012

Natalie has written a comment piece for Bionews criticising the unchallengeable position surrogate mothers are currently given by UK surrogacy law.

The law in the UK has long provided that the woman who gives birth is the legal mother. In surrogacy cases, the intended parents (one or both of whom must be the biological parents) can apply to the family court to have parenthood reassigned to them, but they are entirely dependent on the surrogate and her husband/civil partner giving their consent. If it is withheld, they cannot become the legal parents. Conversely, if the intended parents do not take responsibility, the surrogate has no means of holding them both legally responsible for the life they have created.

Natalie criticises the law as being outdated in a modern age in which surrogacy is becoming more common. Very few arrangements do go wrong (a proportion of roughly 0.02%) and where things run to plan, the current law means that parental responsibility is left in the wrong hands for far too long, contrary to everyone’s wishes and the best interests of the child. In the rare cases where things go wrong, the courts in practice decide care arrangements flexibly on a best interests basis, but legal parentage can remain unresolved forever.

It is time for us to introduce law which deals with surrogacy in a much more sophisticated way, understanding that it is a collaborative process in which the rights and responsibilities of everyone involved – the surrogate, her partner, the intended parents and the child – all need to be carefully balanced. This is what both surrogates and parents want, and what is in the best interests of children born through surrogacy.

You can read Natalie’s comment piece Should surrogate mothers still have an absolute right to change their minds? or find out more about surrogacy law from our website.

Progress Educational Trust, which publishes Bionews, is a wonderful charity which does crucial work informing debate on assisted conception and genetics. You can donate to PET or subscribe to Bionews by clicking here.

Calling for sensible surrogacy law: Natalie writes for International Family Law

Thursday, September 6th, 2012

The Hague Conference on Private International Law announced last year that it was looking at regulating international surrogacy arrangements. Although the process is at an early stage, any international treaty on surrogacy could have a significant impact on the growing numbers of parents crossing borders to find surrogate mothers.

Natalie was asked to write an article for journal International Family Law, in response. Standing up for parents conceiving through surrogacy, Natalie’s article, which has been published this week, calls for the Hague to ensure it looks at surrogacy with a sophisticated understanding, and challenges the UK government to look again at how UK surrogacy law works, updating laws put in place in the 1980s to make them fit for the 21st century.

Read the article in full here (Surrgacy: creating a sensible national and international framework) or get in touch to join our campaign to improve the law for parents conceiving through surrogacy in the UK and abroad. There is more information about surrogacy law on our website.

Family life on Coronation Street takes on a whole new shape through surrogacy

Thursday, August 16th, 2012

Coronation Street is the first major UK soap to tackle surrogacy, with a story beginning tonight in which Katy offers to carry a baby for her disabled sister Izzy and husband Gary.

As the UK’s leading experts on surrogacy law, Natalie Gamble Associates were approached for help at an early stage by the Corrie research team, who wanted to make sure the legal issues were dealt with accurately in the programme.  Natalie, who has advised the research team throughout story development and script writing, says:

‘The fact that surrogacy is on Corrie is such a testament to how accepted a part of normal life surrogacy has become in the UK. It has been fabulous to work alongside ITV to make this story come to life.

‘Although life on Corrie is rarely smooth and uncomplicated (you’ll have to wait and see what happens!), we are delighted to have played a part in telling a great story which we hope will raise awareness for the real families being created through surrogacy who we work with every day’.

There is more information on our website about surrogacy law and about our surrogacy law services.

Bionews article by Natalie – The Indian surrogacy industry and why we need to reform UK surrogacy law

Thursday, June 7th, 2012

By Natalie Gamble.  This article was first published in Bionews on 6 June 2012 and is reproduced by kind permission of the Progress Educational Trust.  PET is a wonderful charity which does crucial work informing debate on assisted conception and genetics.  You can donate to PET or subscribe to Bionews by clicking here.

Indian surrogacy is a hot media topic, with several stories over the past week about couples being stuck in India waiting for British passports for their biological children. As far as we are concerned, this isn’t really news – it is the shared experience of every British parent who has had a child through surrogacy in India, and something we deal with on a daily basis.

A surrogacy industry has grown rapidly in India over the past few years, attracting Western intended parents with limited surrogacy options at home. Although the Indian parliament is considering introducing Indian surrogacy laws (one feature of the proposed Bill being to restrict surrogacy for foreign parents), there is widespread doubt about when or if these laws will ever be passed. With no law to regulate Indian surrogacy as things stand, a profitable surrogacy market has sprung up. Clinics rely on Indian contract law to draw up binding agreements between surrogates and intended parents, and registrars facilitate naming intended parents on Indian birth certificates. All together, it adds up to an affordable but unregulated way of having a child for infertile and gay couples.

But Indian surrogacy is not as simple as it seems for British intended parents. UK law says that the surrogate is the mother of the child and, if she is married, her husband is the father, and these rules apply no matter where in the world the child is conceived. In practice this means that getting named on an Indian birth certificate is false comfort, since the Indian birth certificate will not be recognised for any UK legal purposes.

Getting home is just the first hurdle. Most children born to British parents through surrogacy in India are born ‘stateless’ – they have no nationality anywhere in the world – because of the mismatched laws on parenthood. British parents have to apply to the Home Office for their child to be registered as a British citizen on a discretionary basis. Since the process takes many months, parents must routinely be prepared for a long stay in a foreign country with their newborn child.

Parents also have to apply to the family court in the UK within six months of the birth for a ‘parental order’ – this makes them their child’s legal parents for UK law purposes, extinguishes the status of the surrogate, and gives them a British birth certificate. Indian surrogacy arrangements inevitably involve a payment to the surrogate of more than her expenses (3-4 years’ normal wages is typical), and this means that the parents have to ask the UK court’s special permission to ‘authorise’ the payments retrospectively. Since this challenges UK policy against payments for surrogacy, every case goes to the High Court to be scrutinised carefully by a senior judge.

This has been a fast evolving area of case law in the High Court over the past few years. In 2008, the High Court for the very first time ratified a foreign commercial surrogacy arrangement in the case of Re X and Y (foreign surrogacy) in 2008. The case involved a Ukrainian surrogacy arrangement in which the British parents of twins born ‘stateless and parentless’ in the Ukraine were awarded a parental order to secure their children’s status because, the court said, the parents had behaved responsibly. The next landmark was in 2010 in the case of Re L (a child) (a case involving a child born to British intended parents through surrogacy in Illinois) in which the High Court established the important principle that the child’s welfare was its ‘paramount consideration’. The court said that, unless a foreign surrogacy case was one of the clearest abuse of public policy, a parental order would always be granted.

What this means in practice is that parents who embark on foreign surrogacy arrangements can now be confident that (unless the circumstances are very unusual) they will ultimately be able to become the legal parents of their child. But the process is rigorous and the High Court continues to examine every application carefully – particularly so in Indian cases. We have dealt with many Indian surrogacy cases, and see in practice the High Court’s meticulous approach to confirming the surrogate’s full consent in the context of language barriers and sometimes illiteracy, and ensuring there has been no exploitation in the absence of law and regulation.

Perhaps one of the most worrying features of the Indian surrogacy phenomenon is the UK parents who do not apply to court. Armed with an Indian birth certificate and a British passport, many avoid the rigours of the High Court, keep their heads down and hope for the best. Dealing with the law can be daunting, but not doing so means that their child remains legally the child of the Indian surrogate mother and her husband, and not theirs. The full fallout of these problems has yet to come, but come it will, since a lack of parentage has all sorts of real implications in practice, from liability for child support on relationship breakdown, to authority for giving medical consent, to inheritance rights, to involvement of social services. The worst thing is that UK law only gives a six month window of opportunity within which parents can apply for a parental order – if parents do not apply before their child is six months old, they lose the chance forever.

What is the answer to all these problems? In a modern globalised world, we need to be realistic. It is thanks to our family court judges that our surrogacy laws have adapted to be as child-focused as they are, but we need to do more. Yes, we should do all we can to encourage responsible surrogacy practice (of which altruistic surrogacy may be the gold standard), but not at the expense of prioritising the welfare of real children being born through surrogacy under other legal frameworks. We need to make parents legally responsible for the children they bring into the world, give them proper maternity leave rights to care for their children, and ensure that children are not stranded abroad and left vulnerable for any longer than absolutely necessary.

If we are concerned about the perils and ethics of cross border surrogacy, the answer is for us to look again at how surrogacy works in the UK, because – let’s be clear about this – our current laws are responsible for driving UK demand for Indian surrogacy. UK law makes it deliberately hard for parents to find a surrogate in the UK, and creates a regulatory vacuum in which intended parents have to fend for themselves with no guidance on which surrogacy services being offered in the UK and abroad are safe and reputable. In the 1980s it was hoped that these restrictive surrogacy laws would make surrogacy ‘wither on the vine’, but given today’s global surrogacy market that no longer seems a realistic objective. The truth is that all our surrogacy laws achieve today is forcing parents to look abroad, and that few parents would choose to spend six months waiting for a passport in India if there were a good safe alternative at home. It’s time we had proper regulation of surrogacy in the UK and laws which really do protect the welfare of children born through surrogacy, both in the UK and in India.

There is more information on our website about international surrogacy law and our surrogacy law services.

Indian surrogacy for British parents – what’s the law?

Tuesday, May 29th, 2012

Following prominent Indian surrogacy stories in the Telegraph and Evening Standard, Natalie was interviewed on BBC Radio this afternoon to explain the law.

In the absence of regulation, a commercial surrogacy industry in India has boomed over the last few years, with many Indian fertility clinics now offering surrogacy packages to foreign intended parents at a cost of around £20,000.  Indian law allows intended parents to enter into a binding contract with a surrogate mother, and Indian officials register the intended parents on the Indian birth certificate.

But the law is not as simple as it seems if you are a British parent.  For UK legal purposes, the parents of a child born through surrogacy are the surrogate mother and, if she is married, her husband.  Regardless of what the Indian birth certificate says, you will not be recognised as parents and this means that your child may well be born ’stateless’ without any right to a passport anywhere in the world.  You will also have no status as the parents of your child when you come back to the UK.

There are solutions – a discretionary application to the British High Commission to give a British passport, and an application to the family court for a parental order which ultimately gives a British birth certificate.   However, it is important to be well prepared, and to be very careful about the ethics and safety of what you are doing, given the lack of regulation in India.

Despite the sudden media coverage, none of these issues are new.  In a landmark case Re X and Y in 2008, the High Court warned of the dangers of international surrogacy after twins born through a Ukrainian surrogacy arrangement were born ‘marooned stateless and parentless’ by the conflict between UK and Ukrainian law.  This was the very first UK case to ratify a foreign surrogacy arrangement, and it has been followed by many others over the past four years.  Exactly the same issues apply in Indian surrogacy cases, of which we have dealt with many.  No parental orders have yet been refused, although the court does look at every situation carefully to ensure there is no exploitation and to protect the welfare of the child.

You can find out more from our website about international surrogacy law.

Guardian weekend magazine ‘Gay parenting: it’s complicated’

Monday, April 23rd, 2012

Emma Brockes has written a fabulous major feature for this weekend’s Guardian Weekend magazine on same sex parenting, in which we are proud to be quoted.  The piece tells the story of three modern same sex parent families:

gay parenting 1Kellen and Patricia, lesbian mums from New York who have a daughter and are now expecting twins, following egg swapping IVF – Patricia is the birth mother but she carried embryos created with Kellen’s eggs.

Will Halm and Marcellin Simard, gay dads to three children age 15, 13 and 10, who pioneered surrogacy as gay dads in California, where they were the first same sex parents to be named on a birth certificate together, and where Will now represents others as a fertility lawyer.

Andrew Solomon and John Habich, gay dads to a truly alternative family structure – a son through surrogacy who they are raising together, and three more children co-parented with two different mothers.

It is a wonderful picture of the realities of modern same sex parenting, with scenarios we are increasingly dealing with for families in the UK too.  All the parents involved talk vividly about the challenges and problems they have faced as gay parents – not the playground prejudice and emotional problems many might expect, but losing legal rights when crossing  borders, and grappling with obstructive passport authorities.  But the biggest problem of all for alternative families remains surrogacy.  As Emma says in her article:

gay parents 2There is, in all this, one glaringly unsubtle problem, and that is surrogacy, which as a percentage affects gay men more than any other group. Commercial surrogacy is illegal in the UK, forcing many childless couples to seek help abroad. When they return, the British government is reluctant to endorse an arrangement that undermines public policy. “English law applies its own rules as to who the parents are, irrespective of what happens abroad,” says Natalie Gamble, the country’s leading fertility lawyer. “So even if you’re named as the parent on a US birth certificate, English law will say that the surrogate is the mother and if she’s married, her husband is the father.”

This can lead to some bizarre situations. In 2008, Gamble’s firm acted for a British couple who had used a surrogacy service in Ukraine. “In Ukraine, the law said they were the parents. But under English law, the Ukrainian surrogate and her husband were the parents. The systems were in direct conflict. The result was that the children had no parents and no nationality. They had no right to stay in Ukraine, and they had no passport to cross any borders. That’s the worst nightmare of international surrogacy.”  Gamble persuaded the Home Office to issue the children with discretionary entry clearance, then applied to the high court for a parental order, naming the British couple as legal parents.

gay parenting 3We have long campaigned for alternative families, both individually in court, and by arguing hard for changes to the law (including supporting the UK’s legal changes allowing gay dads and lesbian mums to be named on birth certificates together).  Why do we do this?  Because we believe that parents who love and cherish their children raise wonderful families, no matter what the structure.

With that in mind we want to salute, above all, what Will Halm says about his teenage daughter: “That a test tube baby, from two gay men, is a well-adjusted, smart, polished girl at 15, who is comfortable talking about her family – she is what I would like the world to see. Not the parents who are creating the child, but the children themselves.”

You can read the article in full at http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/apr/20/gay-parenting-emma-brockes

Sunday Telegraph – Surrogacy mother launches maternity leave challenge

Tuesday, March 20th, 2012

We are delighted that the Sunday Telegraph has reported the case of a woman who is challenging the UK’s discriminatory rules on maternity leave, highlighting this important issue which affects many parents building families through surrogacy.  The following article appeared in Sunday’s Telegraph:

A mother who had a baby through a surrogate has launched landmark legal action for the right to paid maternity leave

By Ben Leach, 18 March 2012

Her employer refused to give her maternity leave, so she went to an employment tribunal.  The woman, who has been allowed to remain anonymous by judges, was refused the leave by her employer when she became a mother.  She is suing her employer, alleging sex and maternity discrimination, and has taken her case to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) to decide whether the British laws comply with European Union directives, which could force a change in the rules. The court is expected to make a decision later this year.

An estimated 70 women became mothers through surrogates last year and campaigners say they deserve the same rights as other women.

Natalie Gamble, an expert in fertility law, said that only mothers who were pregnant or those who have adopted are entitled to take maternity leave under the existing rules, which left “a gap” in cases where mothers used surrogates.

Stuart Walne, a spokesman for Surrogacy UK, a support organisation, said the rules created an added “trauma” for these women, who faced disputes over paid leave.

A spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said that there were no plans to change the law regarding people who have a child through surrogacy.

 

We hope the case will make a significant difference, although it is unlikely to do so for some time.  You can find out more from our website about why surrogacy law in the UK needs changing, and about our campaigning work, as well as about our surrogacy law services.